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RedDragon
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Hey there chaps,
Does anyone know of any good books that really go into depth on the topic of modulation??
This can be guitar books or more advanced theory books in the style of Walter Piston etc.
I find a lot of musical interest comes from modulation and changing the time signature in between bars (e.g. the band Millionnaire in the song 'Body Experience Revue') I have a good fundamental understanding of both but there are often books that go into detail and really give you lots of things to experiment with or examples of what has worked successfully in the past.
So any ideas
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nuovestrade
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very good question. I'ts a very wide ranging topic,but one of the easiest ways is to take a degree in a key,and reinterpret it as as another degree in a key.
Then,you need a dominant chord to establish the new key.
However,this only works for nearly related keys, i.e. keys that have only 1 or 2 sharps or flats more than the previous key.
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nuovestrade
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'I have a good fundamental understanding of both '
If that was the case,you would not ask the question. You only have a good fundamental understanding of something,when you can use it. Until then,it's just a vague concept that floats in your head,with many questions and no answer.
Buy books about harmony where modulation is explained in detail....I fear that forums are not enough in these cases. Better yet,enrol in a music course.
To really master modulations,you have to be very fluent with the concept of keys and degrees,of the role of the dominant chord and what a cadence is.
Modulations weren't born in rock songs,you know...
I agree entirely,a lot of musical interest comes from modulation. It really adds elegance and skill to any track.
Funny,why everybody worries about speed when that is not even the tip of the iceberg...
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RedDragon
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Hey, nuovestrade,
Thanks for the reply but...
I DO have a good fundamental understanding of composition but I wanted to look at in depth info on modulation.
For example I understand the theory behind chord progressions, yet a book that then explains about the relationship between V and I being a good way to establish the new key or that the seventh note in the minor scale has to be flattened to make it a leading note (giving us the harmonic minor) gives a bit more info still.....and then we start getting to more indepth examples where we might examine the different types of modulations from people in the classical period....and then in the romantic period where chromaticism was used much more frequently and folk music modulations were used.
So I do understand it, but having more examples and info would be nice. It was through reading the Piston Harmony book (as well as a few others) that made me think there must be a book out there devoted to modulations because the topic is covered more fully in Wikipedia than in his book.
THanks for the help anyway tho
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Vincent Persichetti, Twentieth-Century Harmony. W.W. Norton and Company, 1961. ISBN 0-393-09539-8.
^^ That's listed as a reference on what I assume is the wikipedia article you're referring to. There are also some external links.
No idea if any of that stuff will actually be useful to you though.
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Sorry, I'm not aware of any books that are good collections on these subjects.
I myself came up through theory using classical guitar books on the subject, and reinterpreting the concepts and applying to other styles. The examples in those books are pretty vague and far afield, so you have to be pretty commited to get much out of them. Still, if you are willing to do the work, then willing to go on a search to analyze each modulation you come across to find the principles in action and gain a working familiarity, you could do it.
My main 2 books were:
Melody and Harmony for Guitarists
by John Duarte
ISBN: 900938 57 9
The Guitarists Harmony
by Robert Lilienfeld and Basil Cimino
(no isbn in my copy)
I bet there are a dozen books out there now that do a better job, though.
Regarding time signatures, I think that is more straightforward. Once you understand the basic duple and triple meters, everything is just a matter of subdividing that. Then you can always add or drop beats or partial beats to really mess things up. You can also switch between duple and triple meter keeping the subdivision constant... that is always an interesting tempo change.
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DaveBenson
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Usually, (speaking from personal experience) I tend to mess with the meter or time signature when I modulate. When it comes to modulation, I usually try to just change one or two notes from the key I was in to the new key. I don't always use the V chord
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Modulation and Time Signatures-Any good books?
