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old fashion Metal
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i have a question. how do i know if a section has to be tabbed as a double beat ( in which speed does the beat count as a double beat)? Eg:Is "the Trooper" of Iron maiden a double beat song?
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Total Posts: 137 | Joined May 2005 | Posted on: 2:35 pm on May 26, 2005 | IP
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SantoG3
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Generally the tab says: "double time feel" on that particular section and no, the trooper is not on double time, but itīs a little fast: around 160 bpm.
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Total Posts: 366 | Joined Sep. 2002 | Posted on: 8:04 pm on May 26, 2005 | IP
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old fashion Metal
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Thanks for the answer,but can you tell me, what s the maximum of bpm in order to count as a single beat yet ? Or can i interprete it freely when i tab a song myself ? (sorry of my English if there are any mistakes but i m from Germany)
(Edited by old fashion Metal at 1:50 pm on May 28, 2005)
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Total Posts: 137 | Joined May 2005 | Posted on: 2:39 am on May 27, 2005 | IP
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old fashion Metal
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could someone please answer my last question?
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Total Posts: 137 | Joined May 2005 | Posted on: 4:50 am on May 31, 2005 | IP
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SantoG3
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Sorry but english is not my native language neither so Iīve had a hard time trying to understand your question but the thing is that I donīt think thereīs a limit on bpm to count the beats, thereīs always one part counting which is 1,2,3,4 even if the tempo is fast and a two (or three or four) part counting which is used to divide every beat like on eighth notes: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4, so if you want to count it out it all depends on what rhythmic values you are playing, I donīt know if this make any sense to your question but is what I understood.
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Total Posts: 366 | Joined Sep. 2002 | Posted on: 8:21 pm on June 1, 2005 | IP
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usagi
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I'm not sure I understood but generally songs are tabs as quarter notes to bpm though that is not always the case.
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Total Posts: 309 | Joined Aug. 2004 | Posted on: 8:22 pm on June 1, 2005 | IP
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old fashion Metal
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sorry you two for the unclearly question, but ill try it clearlier:
here are some song examples, where i m not sure, if these are double time songs or not:
IRON MAIDEN - THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
TESTAMENT - PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
IRON MAIDEN - THE WICKER MAN
JUDAS PRIEST - h*ll
BENT FOR LEATHER
i dont know, but in my opinion these songs are all double time songs. If that s the case, please try to tell me why or why not.
It s important to me, beacause i ve got some own song ideas, and i can t distinguish the beats in these own songs, between double time and normal beat, because they are kind of midtempo.
I would really appreciate it, if you two could help me with this terrible problem, ive got for so long.
Please try to understand it.
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Total Posts: 137 | Joined May 2005 | Posted on: 8:22 am on June 2, 2005 | IP
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old fashion Metal
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Santo or usagi, if you re there please try to help me.
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Total Posts: 137 | Joined May 2005 | Posted on: 5:31 am on June 6, 2005 | IP
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MisterE
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Double beat is a feeling, not a rule (at least, as far as I know). So that means, it depends on the listener.
You can effect it, though
speed => the faster it goes, the more it will feel like double time
drumm => "slow" drumms, make it feel like double time (slow means: 1bass 2 3hat 4; fast is 1bass 2hat 3bass 4hat)
and there's probably other things...
Basically: if it feels like double time to you, well, go on and use double time :P
But I don't really get the issue, what does it matter? After all, it's mostly the drumm that will decide what it is.
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Uhm, well, it's been said to have been a bit up and down on occasion, usually the latter being the case, so that generally speaking you should put up with it or put it off entirely, yes.
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Total Posts: 393 | Joined May 2003 | Posted on: 11:44 am on June 6, 2005 | IP
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Guiro
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This topic is mixing up a couple of things. Let me try to clear them up.
1. Double time and Double time-feel are two different things.
Example:
Let's say a song starts and is tabbed 80bpm
When the tab says double time it means the section you entered is tabbed as being 160bpm (= 2*80bpm).
When the tab says double time feel, it means the section you entered is still tabbed at the same speed, but that it feels like the tempo has doubled.
2. A tab can't be tabbed at double time
If you tab a song you start with for example 80bpm. This is one of the first statements in your tab. Three things are possible after that
2.1: You alter the tempo by explicitley stating, for example, 100bpm
2.2: You switch from for example 4/4 tot 6/8 or something like that. Then you go from
1 quarter note = 1 beat to
1 eight note = 1 beat
2.3: You do a statement like double-time, triple-time, half-time or the related double time feel, half time feel, etc
3. The big question: how to decide what tempo to tab your song in.
Basic rule: The snare drum always comes at the 1st and 3rd beat of one bar. Try to keep the tab consistent with that (example: Metallica - Master of Puppets)
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http://home.wanadoo.nl/guiro/music.htm
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Total Posts: 624 | Joined Feb. 2003 | Posted on: 12:07 pm on June 6, 2005 | IP
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old fashion Metal
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Thanks to all the guys, who spent their time to help me.
Now i understand that thing.
Thanks a lot!
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