-- Posted by Xeper on 4:56 am on Mar. 24, 2004
hey guys ,
can someone give me a tip or some help on how to play artificial harmonics with a pick cause i just can't seem to get em right . sometimes i do one by accident but it never works when i want to do them properly...
-- Posted by the di Toma on 6:23 am on Mar. 24, 2004
after u pick the string u need to lightly touch the string with the thumb. try to pick in different section of the string for different pitches!
-- Posted by MisterE on 7:56 am on Mar. 24, 2004
I'm sure there have already been a couple threads on pinch harmonics, try searching the forum.
Some rough information (in dutch):
ten eerste, pinch harmonics, dat heeft te maken met fysica en dergelijke. De basis is dat je als je bijv. fret 12 aanslaat, en je wil die "pinchen", dan kun je dat enkel op welbepaalde plaatsen op de snaar. De makkelijkste, en de meest frequente zijn precies 12 of 24 frets hoger aanslaan, dan krijg je dus een pinched harmonic die 1 of 2 octaven hoger klinkt. Je moet zelf maar eens testen dat je ook op andere hoogtes een pinch kan doen, die dan meestal nog hoger klinkt.
Concreet: stel je speelt op de hoogste E snaar op de vijfde fret. Dan moet je "op de plaats waar de 29e fret zou zijn" aanslaan. De preciese plaats zal je dus even moeten zoeken. Het aanslaan zelf, dat doe je makkelijkst door je pick op die manier vast te houden dat je duim langs de zijkant van je plectrum net een beetje "uitsteekt". Terwijl je aanslaat, maak je een kleine draai-beweging met je hand, zodat je duim bijna gelijktijdig met de aanslag de snaar aanraakt. Je zal vooral moeten oefenen om de preciese plaats van elke "fret boven de 24" te vinden en om uw aanslagtechniek in orde te krijgen. Een goeie oefening is heel traag een chromatische toonladder spelen (begin op hoge snaren, die zijn makkelijker), dus gewoon je speelt van 0 tot de 12e fret, en je slaat elke noot aan met je duim op de 24e en hogere "frets".
Eens je de techniek doorhebt, is het vooral kwestie van hem veel te gebruiken.
Dit is echt geen techniek die je op 2 seconden beet hebt, dus steek er wat tijd in :-)
it's worth it :-)
-- Posted by Arijos on 8:25 am on Mar. 24, 2004
Did you just tell him how to kill a pig with a harmonica and sell it at the local market?
-- Posted by Xeper on 8:50 am on Mar. 24, 2004
watch out for Arijos , he's clever ... :p
thx alot , i'll pratice it thouroughly starting this weekend.
i was just looking in Metal Lead guitar 1 and there's a small section about it in the beginning which is kinda weird i think . since the first solo also had got AH in it and it's not an easy technique if you ask me(well not untill you get the hang of it anyway)
Arijos , next time we'll talk dialect ..
Amuseerd oa dan moa een bekke met da booms diaalect oat te viesse zenne ,das nog plaater doan da Antwaarps
(Edited by Xeper at 8:06 am on Mar. 24, 2004)
-- Posted by Arijos on 9:54 am on Mar. 24, 2004
-- Posted by B Trondset on 5:28 am on Mar. 27, 2004
Spola skit snacket! Håll er till ett språk som alla förstår. Holländska med dialekt... Det lär ju bara vara ett tiotal personer som förstår det.
-- Posted by Xeper on 6:29 am on Mar. 27, 2004
i think he trying to tell us his sister has a bad case of diarrea ,am i right?
-- Posted by chrjoha on 5:37 pm on June 19, 2004
No, he said to cut the crap and stick to one lanuage! And I agree, because I'm having trouble nailing Artificial Harmonics myself, and thought this thread would be useful. Can anyone translate this dutch-thingy?
-- Posted by Guiro on 9:01 pm on June 19, 2004
If it was dutch I would
-- Posted by MisterE on 8:09 am on June 20, 2004
Guiro, it IS dutch ;p
there's probably other threads with more useful information on it already (and in english too)
rough translation of what i said:
a "harmonic" tone as in pinched, artificial or natural harmonic, is playing a note in such a way that you don't hear the actual note but another one instead. Which other depends on how you play, though mostly the harmonic notes you can play on for example a C are all in the chord of C.
Start with a natural one: instead of fretting a string on the 5th, simply "put" your finger on the string, but don't press. Now if hit the string, you'll hear a note much higher than the usual 5th; and it'll be "softer". An example of where these are used is in "Am I evil", by metallica. kirk plays a couple of natural harmonics on the 7th fret.
The natural harmonics are limited because, they only work well on certain frets, the 5, 7, 12, ... are the ones that work most, and are most often used. But try them a couple times, try to understand what's happening.
Artificial harmonics try to expand the basic idea of natural harmonics: instead of using a an open string and "gently putting your finger" on the 5th, 7th, 12th,.. fret; you're gonna pick your own root note, for example the 5th fret; so fret the 5th fret, now you can't "put your finger gently" on the string 12 frets higher with your left hand, so your right hand has to do it. Hold the pick with your thumb & middle finger, stretch your index; still holding the 5th fret with your left hand, you know gently put your index on the 17th fret (= 5 + 12), and then you try to pick the string, while keeping your index there; after a couple times you'll get to hear a soft, high note, much like a natural harmonic. You'll notice that if your index touches the string ONLY AFTER you've picked, then your note will be very soft, but it will sound high. If your index touches the string BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER you've picked, then your note will sound high, but will mute very fast (your index is limiting the vibration). So ideally, you want your index to touch the string right before you pick, and let go right after picking; this requires some getting used to. It's easier if you make a slight "twist"-move with your right hand.
Again this is limited, because you probably won't be able to play with this technique fast. Try Tipton's fast part in painkiller with the harmonics: won't work.
This is where the pitch harmonic comes in, why use your index, when you can use your thumb?
Hold the pick with thumb and index (and with the middle if you like, but it doesn't feel comfortable for me)
In the beginning, I 'd definitely turn your hand a bit to the right so that the upper part of your thumb is perpendicular (i think :p) to the string. Now fret the for example the 12th note, hold your right hand at the 24th fret; (practice this slowly at first) let your thumb touch the string exactly at the 24th string, then pick and pull your thumb away. How to hold your pick/thumb exactly is not something I can explain, simply try for yourself until something comes out. At first, it won't scream much and it'll sound dirty, and won't work half the time. That's ok, simply keep practicing it slowly, until you know exactly how to hold your thumb and pick. Once you can do it slowly on the 12/24 th fret; try doing a chromatic scale from 0 to 12, slowly. Once you're able to pull that off, get working on your speed (Painkiller is a good exercise).
On the way, you'll find how you can play without having to turn your hand to the right a bit, without having your thumb go over your index so much, ... This is a technique that requires a lot of experience and practice, you won't "nail" it in a day.
So just keep on playing and practicing.
Keep in mind: the finger that "touches" the string (doesn't matter if it's natural, artificial or pinch) must be at a quite specific place on the string. The easiest place is exactly 12 frets higher than the root. Just fool around a bit, and you'll find there's a lot of other places that work as well.
Hope you can understand it a bit and that's it a bit useful.
As for the dutch: the guy who asked it, is dutch and so am i. This explanation is a lot easier to do in my own language then in english, so that's the only reason I put it in dutch there. Gently asking for a translation is enough, no need to cry that it all has to be in english.
-- Posted by Guiro on 8:47 am on June 20, 2004
I was referring to B Trondset's post MisterE ;)